[NANOG] Re: [NANOG]Re: Request to Reinstate Feeless BGP Sessions with Enhanced Security Measures

[Christopher Hawker via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

My point still stands - how you get to them in what one could consider an “off-net location” is for you to consider. 
You made a business decision to build out your network location in the area you did, just like HE made the decision to 
charge fees for services they charge for. If you didn't ask about their fee schedule during a feasibility study prior 
to obtaining a service from them yet obtained the service from them regardless that's on you to deal with, not your 
chosen upstream.

And regardless of whether you have a DC next door with every T1 provider or 50 miles away, there are still plenty of 
transit providers. You just need to work out how to get to who you want to connect to.

Regards,
Christopher Hawker

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From: Josh Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
Sent: Tuesday, 4 March 2025 1:02:21 am
To: Christopher Hawker <chris () thesysadmin au>
Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>
Subject: Re: [NANOG] Re: [NANOG]Re: Request to Reinstate Feeless BGP Sessions with Enhanced Security Measures

> There are plenty of them out there.

As a rural network operator, that is simply false.  We have had to build fiber about 20 route miles ($1MM) to reach our 
second provider.  Our first provider was 4 route miles.

Required BGP fees are a disease and messages like this produce awareness for those of us that don't have a "plenty" of 
options in a single building.

On Mon, Mar 3, 2025 at 8:56 AM Christopher Hawker <chris () thesysadmin au<mailto:chris () thesysadmin au>> wrote:
It's not the first time OP has sent emails to the list or CC'ed the list on these emails that are IMO irrelevant, not 
to mention the fact that a large portion of what they've said has been disproven (see their previous email regarding 
the global IX with discounted peering and transit services). Can the list moderators do anything here?

Hurricane Electric, like any other business, are entitled to run their network in any way they see fit. If their 
customers aren't happy with how they do operate their network, they can look for another transit provider that does 
meet their requirements. There are plenty of them out there.

Regards,
Christopher Hawker
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Subject: [NANOG] Re: [NANOG]Re: Request to Reinstate Feeless BGP Sessions with Enhanced Security Measures

Attention to Reinstate Feeless BGP Sessions with HE.  It's in the subject.

On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 5:03 PM Tom Beecher <beecher () beecher cc<mailto:beecher () beecher cc>> wrote:

> I’m not sure what you are attempting to gain by CCing this list on messages
> like this, but please stop.
>
> On Sun, Mar 2, 2025 at 13:16 Volkan SALiH <volkan.salih.06 () gmail com<mailto:volkan.salih.06 () gmail com>>
> wrote:
>
> > Mike Leber
> > CEO, Hurricane Electric
> > 760 Mission Court
> > Fremont, CA 94539
> > United States
> >
> > Subject: Request to Reinstate Feeless BGP Sessions with Enhanced
> > Security Measures
> >
> > Dear Mr. Leber, and interested NANOG members;
> >
> > I hope this letter finds you well. I am writing to respectfully request
> > the reinstatement of feeless BGP sessions by Hurricane Electric,
> > considering the latest advancements in routing security and spam
> > prevention.
> >
> > Recent developments in Resource Public Key Infrastructure (RPKI)
> > validation have significantly enhanced the security of internet routing,
> > effectively mitigating the risk of man-in-the-middle attacks. RPKI
> > ensures that only legitimate Autonomous Systems (AS) can announce
> > specific IP prefixes, thereby increasing trust and reliability in BGP
> > sessions.
> >
> > Additionally, to address concerns related to email abuse, it is now
> > feasible to implement filtering on mail server ports (such as 25, 465,
> > and 587) for feeless BGP sessions. By applying such restrictions,
> > potential spam-related issues can be proactively managed while
> > maintaining the accessibility and robustness of the service.
> >
> > The restoration of feeless BGP sessions, with these enhanced security
> > measures in place, would provide substantial benefits to the global
> > internet community by fostering network expansion, enhancing resilience,
> > and ensuring a more secure routing environment.
> >
> > I sincerely appreciate the invaluable services that Hurricane Electric
> > provides and trust that you will consider this request in light of the
> > latest security improvements. Thank you for your time and attention to
> > this matter. I look forward to your response.
> >
> > *Best regards,*
> > VOLKAN SALİH
> > ANTAKYA/HATAY/TURKIYE
> > +90 540 415 5555
> > +90 540 489 9999
> >
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