Re: [NANOG] Re: Geofeeds are good — was Re: Publishing BGP communties for your network (Re: What's up with BGP communities?)

[Mike Lyon via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

In our case, the cost of (C) is pissed off eyeball customers that cancel service with us because they can’t get to 
their destined content service because the IP geolocation company thinks we are lying on our geofeed data and that 
their system of geolocation data is “better” than our geofeed data.

-Mike

> On Jan 28, 2026, at 19:20, Abdullah DevRel of IPinfo via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I think I failed to demonstrate the scale of the ProbeNet operations.
>
> For us, having a handful of servers in each data center is enough and will reduce the RTT of the peering ASN and 
> nearby networks. So, we constantly need to expand to other diverse networks. It is pretty easy to buy a few servers 
> in Western Europe, the East coast, and the South coast of the United States. However, when you want to buy a server 
> in the Caribbean, Oceania, or African countries outside of South Africa and Nigeria, I think the procurement effort, 
> maintenance, and service costs are much more complex than you can imagine.
>
> We have some servers that cost $5, maybe a dozen. However, I really don't want to use our financial investment in 
> ProbeNet as a scale to show the complexities of running an operation with 1,300 servers
>
> We currently PoP presence in ~520 ASNs. I think this fact largely demonstrates that no VPN companies, nor any CDN 
> companies, nor any companies outside of crowdsourced research network have reached the level of network diversity 
> that we currently have. It is not 1,300 X $5 .
>
> > There are (a) geoip data providers, (b) geoip data users/buyers, and (c) networks in the middle that bear much of 
> > the cost of what a and c are doing.
>
> I am not sure I understand your logic:
> - (a) IP geolocation data providers: IPinfo
> - (b) IP geolocation data users/buyers: IPinfo Customers
> - (c) Networks in the middle: You
>
> What (c) Networks in the middle are bearing the cost of (a) IPinfo and (c) you are doing. I am not sure I understand 
> the logic. What cost are we talking about?
>
> — Abdullah | DevRel, IPinfo
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