Re: IP2Location updates possible?

[Matthew Petach via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

On Fri, Oct 23, 2026 at 4:13 PM Kevin Tillery via NANOG <
nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
[...]

> Important note:
> Since you are trying to "monetize IP addresses" it is clear that
> IP2Location has the right idea about how these IP addresses are being used,
> and is, in fact, acting responsibly.
>
> The purpose of these IP information companies (and there are lots) is
> precisely to determine when an ISP is lying about what their addresses are
> being used for. Good luck convincing them to fall for the lie.
>
> Kevin.


Hi Kevin,

This *is* you, right?  https://www.immibis.com/blog/dn42-redesign-202602

I note you have a collection of VPS instances around the globe, over which
you run an encrypted set of tunnels, and offer BGP transit to people over
those encrypted tunnels.
https://www.immibis.com/dn42/peeringhttps://www.immibis.com/dn42/peering

   - If you expect to transfer 1000 GB/month or more please inform me when
   making the connection. This would be unusual for dn42 at the moment, but
   it's possible. Just inform me so I can make sure there's enough capacity.


Have you informed your VPS providers that you are using their VPS nodes to
offer encrypted transit to people who are not otherwise normally connected
through their network?

Are you potentially putting your VPS providers into a situation where their
IPs are not being used for the purposes they thought they were, where one
might almost be tempted to accuse them of lying about what their IP
addresses are being used for?

Are you perhaps standing in a glass house, flinging stones at others?


...

The Internet is useful precisely because it is such a swiss army knife that
it can be used for purposes we could not even have dreamt of back in the
early days.  To think that we could codify and lock into carefully curated
buckets all the possible uses for IP addresses is, dare I say, a
potentially vain and shortsighted effort?

As Hamlet once wisely said, "There are more valid and reasonable uses for
IP addresses, Kevin, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
(Mind you, I wasn't actually there when he said it, but I have it on good
authority from my friend Bill, who was.)

I wish Joel all the best in getting IP2Location to respond to his repeated
queries.   As someone who wrestled for decades with getting geolocation
providers to update information, I know it is a gruelling task that would
make even Sisyphus reconsider before applying for a lateral job change.
Alas, I have no better resource to offer for reaching them than what Josh
has already provided.

Best of luck, Joel!

Matt
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