RE: IP2Location updates possible?

[Gary Sparkes via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Dn42 isn't public internet transit/public internet peering, so is irrelevant to this discussion.

Think of it as a private BGP/networking playground. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dn42

It doesn't provide public internet IP transit, and for 'real' internet access from the virtual dn42 network, you'd need 
to have some kind of NAT gateways and other such things with legs on both sides. 

It operates on RFC1918 space and all services/functionality is 'internal' to this virtual network unless dual homed. 

Therefore, is entirely irrelevant to this discussion, not providing any public internet type peering/transit or IP 
space other than what you gateway into it on your own. I've got a bit of experience with ChaosVPN and dn42. 

Think of it as a big private VPN network on RFC1918 space, because, essentially, that's all it is - WITH NO PUBLIC BGP 
PEERING OR ADDRESS SPACE. 

It's a learning/experimenting tool that by nature and design CANNOT PROVIDE PUBLIC IP / PEERING / TRANSIT. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Matthew Petach via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> 
Sent: Friday, October 23, 2026 8:07 PM
To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>
Cc: Matthew Petach <mpetach () netflight com>
Subject: Re: IP2Location updates possible?

On Fri, Oct 23, 2026 at 4:13 PM Kevin Tillery via NANOG < nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
[...]

> Important note:
> Since you are trying to "monetize IP addresses" it is clear that 
> IP2Location has the right idea about how these IP addresses are being 
> used, and is, in fact, acting responsibly.
>
> The purpose of these IP information companies (and there are lots) is 
> precisely to determine when an ISP is lying about what their addresses 
> are being used for. Good luck convincing them to fall for the lie.
>
> Kevin.


Hi Kevin,

This *is* you, right?  https://www.immibis.com/blog/dn42-redesign-202602

I note you have a collection of VPS instances around the globe, over which you run an encrypted set of tunnels, and 
offer BGP transit to people over those encrypted tunnels.
https://www.immibis.com/dn42/peeringhttps://www.immibis.com/dn42/peering

   - If you expect to transfer 1000 GB/month or more please inform me when
   making the connection. This would be unusual for dn42 at the moment, but
   it's possible. Just inform me so I can make sure there's enough capacity.


Have you informed your VPS providers that you are using their VPS nodes to offer encrypted transit to people who are 
not otherwise normally connected through their network?

Are you potentially putting your VPS providers into a situation where their IPs are not being used for the purposes 
they thought they were, where one might almost be tempted to accuse them of lying about what their IP addresses are 
being used for?

Are you perhaps standing in a glass house, flinging stones at others?


...

The Internet is useful precisely because it is such a swiss army knife that it can be used for purposes we could not 
even have dreamt of back in the early days.  To think that we could codify and lock into carefully curated buckets all 
the possible uses for IP addresses is, dare I say, a potentially vain and shortsighted effort?

As Hamlet once wisely said, "There are more valid and reasonable uses for IP addresses, Kevin, than are dreamt of in 
your philosophy."
(Mind you, I wasn't actually there when he said it, but I have it on good authority from my friend Bill, who was.)

I wish Joel all the best in getting IP2Location to respond to his repeated
queries.   As someone who wrestled for decades with getting geolocation
providers to update information, I know it is a gruelling task that would make even Sisyphus reconsider before applying 
for a lateral job change.
Alas, I have no better resource to offer for reaching them than what Josh has already provided.

Best of luck, Joel!

Matt
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