Re: Charging for IPs

[Tom Beecher via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Yes, but this just generally reflects how poor they are run over there. 
Any competent sales organization would just bundle the /31 cost into the 
existing MRC they charge for a BGP session, which is also crap but 
people are paying it, so good for them I guess.

That being said, this was entirely predictable. Cogent has been free 
cash flow negative since 2023 they bought the old Sprint assets, and 
that includes the gobs of money that TMobile paid them to take it. When 
you have to borrow money backed by revenue from IP space, **and the 
resale value of other IP space**, just to RUN THE BUSINESS, you have a 
problem. That problem gets worse when IPv4 resale value drops by 50%, as 
it has since then. So of course they are trying to charge whatever they 
can get from any IPs that get used.

They are squeezing blood from every stone they can just to survive at 
this point.





On 9/7/26 3:36 AM, Christopher Hawker via NANOG wrote:
> I can either pay $400/month for a 1G transit service and $5/month for the /31 used by the BGP session, or I can pay 
> $405/month for the transit service with a /31 free.
>
> Either way, I’m still paying a total of $405/month. Only benefit to the former is if my upstream will allow me to use 
> my address space for the PtP link, saving $5/month.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher Hawker
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 7 Sep 2026, at 12:59 pm, Gary Sparkes via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > The interface addresses for an IPv4  BGP session should be included in the BGP session cost.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Saku Ytti via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 7, 2026 3:03 AM
> > To: Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard () huawei com>
> > Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>; Saku Ytti <saku () ytti fi>
> > Subject: Re: Charging for IPs
> >
> > This has been raised on the thread already a few times, by different wording, for example Kevin raised the point in a 
> > bit different wording.
> >
> >
> > Everyone charges for everything already, because everyone wants cost+, how this is structured is where marketing and 
> > psychology lives.
> >
> > > On Mon, 7 Sept 2026 at 09:57, Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard () huawei com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Reminder, cloud providers charge for every single IPv4 address.
> > > Why network provides should give it for free?
> > > It is not network providers have started to charge for IPv4.
> > > Ed/
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Saku Ytti via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 4, 2026 21:55
> > > > To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > > > Cc: Saku Ytti <saku () ytti fi>
> > > > Subject: Re: Charging for IPs
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 4 Sept 2026 at 21:47, Brian Knight via NANOG
> > > > <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Brian,
> > > >
> > > > >  From a configuration standpoint, without testing it, is it as
> > > > > easy as configuring an IPV6 BGP neighbor with an IPV4 unicast
> > > > > AFI/SAFI? And the received routes appear in the table with an IPV6 NH?
> > > >
> > > > This might be of interest:
> > > > https://www.trex.fi/service/turku.html
> > > >
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