Re: Charging for IPs

[Kevin Tillery via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

On 7 September 2026 09:36:13 CEST, Christopher Hawker via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> I can either pay $400/month for a 1G transit service and $5/month for the /31 used by the BGP session, or I can pay 
> $405/month for the transit service with a /31 free.
>
> Either way, I’m still paying a total of $405/month. Only benefit to the former is if my upstream will allow me to use 
> my address space for the PtP link, saving $5/month.
>
> Regards,
> Christopher Hawker
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On 7 Sep 2026, at 12:59 pm, Gary Sparkes via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > The interface addresses for an IPv4  BGP session should be included in the BGP session cost.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Saku Ytti via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > Sent: Monday, September 7, 2026 3:03 AM
> > To: Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard () huawei com>
> > Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>; Saku Ytti <saku () ytti fi>
> > Subject: Re: Charging for IPs
> >
> > This has been raised on the thread already a few times, by different wording, for example Kevin raised the point in 
> > a bit different wording.
> >
> >
> > Everyone charges for everything already, because everyone wants cost+, how this is structured is where marketing and 
> > psychology lives.
> >
> > > On Mon, 7 Sept 2026 at 09:57, Vasilenko Eduard <vasilenko.eduard () huawei com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Reminder, cloud providers charge for every single IPv4 address.
> > > Why network provides should give it for free?
> > > It is not network providers have started to charge for IPv4.
> > > Ed/
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Saku Ytti via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, September 4, 2026 21:55
> > > > To: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > > > Cc: Saku Ytti <saku () ytti fi>
> > > > Subject: Re: Charging for IPs
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, 4 Sept 2026 at 21:47, Brian Knight via NANOG
> > > > <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hey Brian,
> > > >
> > > > > From a configuration standpoint, without testing it, is it as
> > > > > easy as configuring an IPV6 BGP neighbor with an IPV4 unicast
> > > > > AFI/SAFI? And the received routes appear in the table with an IPV6 NH?
> > > >
> > > > This might be of interest:
> > > > https://www.trex.fi/service/turku.html
> > > >
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Perhaps it does work like this in networking, I don't know as I don't manage our contracts, but I'd be surprised 
because it's not how B2B contracts work anywhere else.

The total price is the amount of money they think they can get you to pay. There are many tricks to get you to pay 
more. One trick is to itemize a contract. Another trick is to appear to have standard line items.

You're more likely to pay an extra $5 for a BGP session if someone presents you a price list that says "BGP session: 
$5" than if they don't, but that list could have been created or tweaked just for your negotiation. Different customers 
could get a completely different price list, unless it's publicly advertised on their website. Chances are they have 
some internal guide prices to both estimate how much a service is worth to a customer and to make sure they don't lose 
money, but they have no obligation to show these to customers.

Often it's assumed everyone in the negotiation already knows it works this way so they skip the line item discussion 
and just focus on the total price. "We can do what you want for $400" "Yep sounds good" and then the line items are 
made up after the fact: physical connection $250, bandwidth $130, IP rental $10, BGP session $10. And the different 
ways two companies may itemize their total prices has absolutely no bearing on anything whatsoever.

Kevin 



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