Re: Worsening google service reputation and abuse

[Josh Reynolds via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

I'll dig into it. There are some very strong opinions about how we should
solve some of our technical issues, but I've always had a huge amount of
respect for Dr Clayton and his work. Even if I disagree in the end, it's
worth a look to me.

Thank you.

On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 5:24 PM John Levine via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
wrote:

> It appears that Josh Reynolds via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> said:
> > Interesting. Do you have any links about this? I was talking to him a few
> > months back about some things.
>
> You can read about it in the IETF DKIM working group and its
> ietf-dkim mailing list.
>
> Let's just say that Mike and I disagree about its likely utility.
>
> R's,
> John
>
>
>
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 5:16 PM Michael Thomas via NANOG <
> > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > > On 8/19/25 3:13 PM, Josh Reynolds via NANOG wrote:
> > > > Holdup. What did I miss about Richard Clayton?
> > >
> > > If it's the same Richard Clayton as the one I think it is, he's off on a
> > > useless adventure to reinvent DKIM for the hell of it, for one.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 5:10 PM Christopher Morrow via NANOG <
> > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 5:54 PM Barry Shein via NANOG
> > > > > <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > > > > Are there any good sources breaking down spam (et al) behavior?
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > > But my question is whether anyone is already doing this?
> > > > > I think you want to find Suresh and the SpamHaus folks (at least)
> > > > > (they are different orgs with slightly different views)
> > > > >
> > > > > On the past I'd also have said: "And Richard Clayton" but :( <sad
> panda>
> > > > > There's been a bunch of presentation work on these things over the
> > > years...
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