Re: Worsening google service reputation and abuse

[Michael Thomas via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

On 8/19/25 3:17 PM, Josh Reynolds wrote:
> Interesting. Do you have any links about this? I was talking to him a 
> few months back about some things.

Just google ietf dkim to find the mailing list. It should have pointers 
to any drafts too.

Mike


> Thanks
>
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 5:16 PM Michael Thomas via NANOG 
> <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
>
>
>     On 8/19/25 3:13 PM, Josh Reynolds via NANOG wrote:
>     > Holdup. What did I miss about Richard Clayton?
>
>     If it's the same Richard Clayton as the one I think it is, he's
>     off on a
>     useless adventure to reinvent DKIM for the hell of it, for one.
>
>     Mike
>
>
>     >
>     > On Tue, Aug 19, 2025, 5:10 PM Christopher Morrow via NANOG <
>     > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
>     >
>     >> On Tue, Aug 19, 2025 at 5:54 PM Barry Shein via NANOG
>     >> <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
>     >>>
>     >>> Are there any good sources breaking down spam (et al) behavior?
>     >> <snip>
>     >>
>     >>> But my question is whether anyone is already doing this?
>     >>>
>     >> I think you want to find Suresh and the SpamHaus folks (at least)
>     >> (they are different orgs with slightly different views)
>     >>
>     >> On the past I'd also have said: "And Richard Clayton" but :(
>     <sad panda>
>     >> There's been a bunch of presentation work on these things over
>     the years...
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