Re: Digital Element, Neustar (Transunion) & ipinsight.io

[nanog--- via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

It's a basic principle of a free market that you cannot force someone to provide service. If Netflix wants to ban 
certain IP ranges at random, they're allowed to do that and the only recourse is whining.


On 23 August 2025 08:18:13 CEST, Mike Lyon via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> So if they dont take submissions and they don’t apparently read WHOIS data, is the end user (eyeballs) basically just 
> screwed and at the mercy of whatever crappy methodology they use to determine their (crappy) location?
>
> There has got to be a better way… 
>
> > On Aug 22, 2025, at 23:01, Crist Clark via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > Just like that other thread, where it turns out he spammers are the first
> > ones to utilize any new anti-spam technology, a good bet a large percentage
> > of the folks who want to upload their own geo-location data are the folks
> > trying to circumvent geo-location for whatever reasons folks have to
> > circumvent geo-location. If you're the geo-location provider, you're going
> > to need to independently verify geo-location by whatever means you use to
> > determine geo-location without submissions. You can't trust submissions, so
> > why take submissions at all?
> >
> > I'm not saying not geo-locations services shouldn't have any means to have
> > inaccuracies reported. I'm just saying the information they get by such
> > means may not be all that valuable or actionable.
> >
> > > On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 1:02 PM nanog--- via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 22/08/25 07:52, Mike Lyon via NANOG wrote:
> > > > One would think that if you are in the business of selling data,
> > > specifically, location data, that you would have a link on your website for
> > > people to contact you in regards to updating that data so that the data you
> > > are selling is accurate data. Or do you prefer to sell inaccurate data or
> > > do you just not care about the accuracy of your product?
> > >
> > > It wouldn't be surprising. Most of capitalism is done for appearances'
> > > sake now, especially stuff that nobody will really notice if it's done
> > > wrong. Nobody cares if a few hundred people can't use Netflix because it
> > > thinks they're in the wrong region - not even Netflix. Those few hundred
> > > people might care, but their opinions don't matter.
> > >
> > > You see this more in security stuff - all theater so somebody can tick a
> > > box saying they did security.
> > >
> > > > Anyways, i’ll get off of my soap box…
> > > >
> > > > ***ATTENTION*** Digital Element, Neustar and ipinsight.io folks….
> > > >
> > > > How does one report to you inaccurate geolocation data?
> > > >
> > > > Anyone on list that could possibly help a brother out?
> > > >
> > > > Thank You,
> > > > Mike
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