Re: Digital Element, Neustar (Transunion) & ipinsight.io

[Josh Luthman via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Why is content different based on source IP?

On Sat, Aug 23, 2025, 1:47 PM Joe Greco <jgreco () ns sol net> wrote:

> On Sat, Aug 23, 2025 at 01:23:44PM -0400, Josh Luthman via NANOG wrote:
> > Keep in mind the companies don't want to go through the hassle, it's the
> > copyright legislation that's the foundation of all this mess.
>
> Well, feel free to hate on copyright legislation with my blessing, but
> that's just not accurate.  Businesses have a legitimate reason for
> wanting to be able to understand location, which ranges from technostuff
> like network path optimization to more mundane stuff like fraud risk
> analysis for financial transactions.  I don't think there's anything
> in copyright legislation that requires IP location mapping, but certainly
> there are contractual obligations for distribution "zones"; the classic
> example of this would probably be the way that physical discs may have
> limitations on them for which geographical area of the world they are
> supposed to be limited to.  The foundation of THAT is really financial,
> as content is priced according to what the economy of a geographical area
> is likely to be able to tolerate.
>
> Whether or not companies want to go through the hassle of self-identifying
> the geoloc of their IP's is another matter.  If you want to look at the
> problem from the reverse lens, Netflix could legitimately claim to be
> ticked off that it is so hard for them because a third party, the ISP, is
> failing to provide reasonable information about the location of their
> endpoints.  So this gets complicated quickly now that we have four parties
> involved, Netflix, ipinsight, ISPco, and sad end user.  Could possibly
> implicate ARIN/RIR's in there too.
>
> ... JG
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