Re: Digital Element, Neustar (Transunion) & ipinsight.io

[Tim Burke via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Many companies seem to be capable of pulling geofeeds from whois.

When I was still at an eyeball network, we published in whois, and the amount of geolocation complaints from customers 
plummeted significantly. The only outlier was Digital Element, which sadly is utilized by a lot of popular streaming 
services. I even tried to provide them with the link to geofeed in one of my many tickets to them, and they acted like 
I was speaking a foreign language.

On Aug 23, 2025, at 1:17 AM, Josh Luthman via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:

If only there was a registry for IPs and an RFC for geofeed structure.

On Sat, Aug 23, 2025, 2:01 AM Crist Clark via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
wrote:

Just like that other thread, where it turns out he spammers are the first
ones to utilize any new anti-spam technology, a good bet a large percentage
of the folks who want to upload their own geo-location data are the folks
trying to circumvent geo-location for whatever reasons folks have to
circumvent geo-location. If you're the geo-location provider, you're going
to need to independently verify geo-location by whatever means you use to
determine geo-location without submissions. You can't trust submissions, so
why take submissions at all?

I'm not saying not geo-locations services shouldn't have any means to have
inaccuracies reported. I'm just saying the information they get by such
means may not be all that valuable or actionable.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2025 at 1:02 PM nanog--- via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
wrote:

On 22/08/25 07:52, Mike Lyon via NANOG wrote:
One would think that if you are in the business of selling data,
specifically, location data, that you would have a link on your website
for
people to contact you in regards to updating that data so that the data
you
are selling is accurate data. Or do you prefer to sell inaccurate data or
do you just not care about the accuracy of your product?

It wouldn't be surprising. Most of capitalism is done for appearances'
sake now, especially stuff that nobody will really notice if it's done
wrong. Nobody cares if a few hundred people can't use Netflix because it
thinks they're in the wrong region - not even Netflix. Those few hundred
people might care, but their opinions don't matter.

You see this more in security stuff - all theater so somebody can tick a
box saying they did security.


Anyways, i’ll get off of my soap box…

***ATTENTION*** Digital Element, Neustar and ipinsight.io folks….

How does one report to you inaccurate geolocation data?

Anyone on list that could possibly help a brother out?

Thank You,
Mike
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