Re: IPv4 Pricing

[Tom Beecher via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

> > this thread has done nothing except rehash the same viewpoints that get
> discussed ad nauseam for the last however many years.
>
> I'm not sure if you just don't see it or you're being funny.


It's a correct statement.

"IPv6 doesn't work" : Google's stats show that just shy of 50% of all their
traffic is native V6. Most of the largest CDNs will give you similar
answers. Yes there can be some things to shake out to implement it, but
once those are done, they're done.

"My customers don't ask for it." : Customers don't ask for IPv4. They don't
ask for NAT/CGNAT either. But you do those things I'm sure, because as you
said, they just want things to work.

The answer is really money. You made a business decision not to incur the
hardware/software/support costs to implement V6 for your customers. That's
fine, no shame in that. Maybe that will never be a problem for you,  maybe
someday it will and it will cost you. Who knows.

But just be honest and call it what it is, instead of half baked statements
that have been repeated for decades.


On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 11:04 AM Josh Luthman via NANOG <
nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:

> > this thread has done nothing except rehash the same viewpoints that get
> discussed ad nauseam for the last however many years.
>
> I'm not sure if you just don't see it or you're being funny.
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 11:01 AM Mu <mu () zuqq me> wrote:
>
> > it has not "shown" anything, and especially not globally.
> > this thread has done nothing except rehash the same viewpoints that get
> > discussed ad nauseam for the last however many years.
> >
> > On Monday, December 1st, 2025 at 10:56 AM, Josh Luthman <
> > josh () imaginenetworksllc com> wrote:
> >
> > I need a business reason to make the business do IPv6. I do not need a
> > technical reason. This thread has shown there is no business use case for
> > global IPv6.
> >
> > I also want to throw this out there: Metronet residential (last I heard
> > 7th largest fiber provider in the US, this was well before the Tmobile
> > acquisition) doesn't even give out public IPs. They do IPv4 only CGNAT.
> You
> > can get a /32 static at $15/mo (in some areas).
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:51 AM Mu <mu () zuqq me> wrote:
> >
> > > the reason "you still need v4 for a working Internet" is because people
> > > like you keep saying crap like "v6 is a joke".
> > > thanks for that!
> > >
> > > On Monday, December 1st, 2025 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman via NANOG <
> > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Aaron,
> > > >
> > > > As a small operator I would ask why you need a /29 the first place.
> > > Second
> > > > why don't you just get your own ASN?
> > > >
> > > > Are you willing to pay more to support v6? Or do you think the ISP
> > > should
> > > > add that service for free?
> > > >
> > > > Imo v6 is a joke because you still need v4 for a working Internet. I
> > > > understand there are benefits but this is 2025 and you can't get by
> > > without
> > > > v4.
> > > >
> > > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025, 10:03 AM Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG <
> > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I wish they were dropping in my area.
> > > > > I called my backwoods ISP last week (they are a monopoly with ~4,000
> > > fiber
> > > > > customers) to go from a single static at my office to a /29 and they
> > > said
> > > > > "It's $300/mo".
> > > > > I asked why it was so high and they said "My boss doesn't like
> > > configuring
> > > > > them, so he set the price really high".
> > > > > Then I asked when IPv6 would be available and got the same answer I
> > > got
> > > > > back in 2019: "My boss said he was thinking about looking into it
> next
> > > > > year".
> > > > >
> > > > > -A
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:12 PM Tom Mitchell via NANOG <
> > > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > v4 addresses have been dropping rapidly. They were as high as $65
> > > last
> > > > > > year. Now, there are offers for $11. Average market price now is
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > mid-$20's. All the NA ISPs have been selling much of their
> > > inventory.
> > > > > > Why
> > > > > > not.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Tom
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 11:23 AM Mike Hammett via NANOG <
> > > > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > What are you using for guides for IPv4 pricing? There are a
> bunch
> > > of
> > > > > > > undated blogs, which don't mean much if there's no date.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hilco's blog says somewhere around $27 for a /22 to /24:
> > > > > > > https://www.ipv4.global/reports/october-2025/
> > > > > > > but then fast forward a month on their auction page and it's
> down
> > > to
> > > > > > > $22:
> > > > > > > https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > These guys stopped updating in June:
> > > > > > > https://ipv4market.eu/ipv4-market-average-sale-prices-2025/
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -----
> > > > > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions
> > > > > > > http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Midwest-IX
> > > > > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > > > > > >
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