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Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...]
From: John Levine via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
Date: 5 Jul 2025 16:11:26 -0400
It appears that Michael Thomas via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> said:
Email doesn't even have that. Thunderbird, which is what I use, has precisely *nothing* to say about DKIM/SPF/DMARC.
Well, yeah. As you surely know as well as anyone, if a message is authenticated that tells you nothing about whether it's mail you want or mail that's malicious. For that you need a reputation system that knows something about the domain that's authenticated. That seems a lot easier to do at delivery time and put the bad ones in the Junk folder, or don't deliver them at all.
Do you have any visibility into, say, MAAWG and why they don't take this up as a standards effort?
Honestly, they'd just laugh. It's not a new idea, and there is a great deal of experience that says asking users to make security decisions in the UI mostly adds confusion. On the other hand, if you use Thunderbird, I don't think it'd be very hard to write a plugin that looks at the Authentication-Results: header and adds locks or skulls and crossbones to the message display. Try it, tell us how you like it. You can start with this one: https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/dkim-verifier/ R's, John _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog () lists nanog org/message/ZKODZNYV5ZDW322P6IU52G56SSYTCCWN/
Current thread:
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...], (continued)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Tom Beecher via NANOG (Jul 03)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Alex Buie via NANOG (Jul 03)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Michael Thomas via NANOG (Jul 03)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Alex Buie via NANOG (Jul 03)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Michael Thomas via NANOG (Jul 03)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Alex Buie via NANOG (Jul 03)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Michael Thomas via NANOG (Jul 03)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Amir Herzberg via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Michael Thomas via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Amir Herzberg via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] John Levine via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Michael Thomas via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] John Levine via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Michael Thomas via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Amir Herzberg via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Alex Buie via NANOG (Jul 03)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Barry Shein via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Michael Thomas via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Tim Howe via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Michael Thomas via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Tim Howe via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Michael Thomas via NANOG (Jul 05)
- Re: SPF/DKIM/DMARC et.al.: REALLY LONG [was: is it just me or...] Tom Beecher via NANOG (Jul 03)
