Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF

[Andrew Kirch via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

I oppose this.  With IPv6 traffic now representing around half of internet
traffic, the time to rethink has long passed.

If IPv8 was going to be a solution, it should have been a solution 10 years
ago.

In the last 12 months, ~5% of traffic migrated to IPv6.  At that rate, IPv6
will be fully implemented by 2035.  I'm not seeing a problem that needs to
be solved, or a credible solution.

Andrew



On Wed, Apr 29, 2026 at 3:23 PM Jamie Thain via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> My name is Jamie Thain I'm the creator of IPv8. It's not a hoax.
>
> I joined this list because, as part of IPv8, I am creating a BGPv8. Inside
> BGPv8, two new protocols CF (Cost Factor), weigh cost factors along the
> routes to produce a better metric. It's a hybrid of EIRGP mixed with BGP to
> create better engineering results.
>
> I also as part of CF created Sun Tzu which is the protocol that watches CF
> and gives you a CF score of reliability.  Do I trust my partnership with
> you?
>
> Now, beyond an on-slaught of IPv8 is stupid, IPv6 solves every problem,
> etc, etc. That's not my discussion point. My point isn't "should I even
> propose IPv8" my point is what would be the best result for operators?
>
> I believe that since IPv8 solves the duopoly problem, it will replace
> IPv4.
>
> So the things to know, IPV8 is NOT a 64 bit addressing system.
>
> It is a 32 bit routing system with a 32 bit addressing system.
>
> A Routing Number = ASNs plus others.
>
> 8.8.8.8 would become 15169.8.8.8.8
>
> https://www.ietf.org/archive/id/draft-thain-ipv8-02.html
> <
> https://l.shortlink.es/l/3ae384c1b8e2eb92749595407c5cf9b87ea3372a?u=12457652
> >
>
>
> So each ASN in the world will have 3 Billion available addresses.
>
> There is a specially reserved group of internal ASN 127.x.x.x so each corp,
> org, has 16 Million areas of 3 Billion addresses, to replace 10.x.x.x and
> 100.64.x.x.x
>
> I'd appreciate your thoughts on it
>
> Jamie
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