Re: Geofeeds are adversarial

[Barry Shein via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Which is a lot like my comment on the law:

If a judge in their court room orders you to raise your right leg you
are well-advised to raise your right leg.

If they order you to also raise your left leg they don't have a
problem, you have a problem.

On February 17, 2026 at 04:24 nanog () lists nanog org (John Curran via NANOG) wrote:
> One observation from watching similar debates over the years – the period in which the Internet technical community 
> could simply respond “that isn’t technically possible” or “that won’t work as intended” and expect the proposed law 
> or regulation to stall seems largely behind us.
>
> In many jurisdictions, if policymakers perceive a requirement as necessary, they now proceed regardless. The 
> practical effect of disengagement is often not the abandonment of the mandate, but its advancement with less 
> operational and technical input.
>
> I recognize this is not particularly pleasant for those operating networks, but it does suggest that the strategic 
> choice that technical communities now face is deciding how and when to participate to shape discussions toward more 
> pragmatic outcomes – since there will be outcomes, and fewer & more feasible approaches definitely beats the 
> alternative. 
>
> FYI,
> /John
>
> p.s. Disclaimers: my views alone; your mileage may vary; this email composed with 100% recycled electrons...
>
> > On Feb 16, 2026, at 11:21 PM, nanog--- via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > It would be nice if bad laws were impossible to comply with. Then nobody would comply with them.
> >
> > Then someone comes along and finds there's a way to sell the appearance of complying with the law (even though 
> > actual compliance is impossible) as a service, and everybody is forced to buy the service so they don't get 
> > prosecuted.
> >
> > Just one more instance of bad politics and capitalism messing everything up for everybody.
> >
> >
> > On 16 February 2026 15:08:46 CET, Michael Greenup via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > It is important to consider the extent to which US state government mandates influence the regulation of content 
> > > access. For instance, numerous states now require identity verification for viewers of adult content to confirm 
> > > their age. Many of these laws are formulated such that any viewer within the state's jurisdiction must be 
> > > verified, necessitating IP address-based geolocation to ensure compliance.
> > >
> > > Not saying I agree or disagree here, just laying out a regulated use case.
> > >
> > > YMMV.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Michael
> > >
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> > >
> > > Rich Kulawiec wrote:
> > > > On Sun, Feb 15, 2026 at 10:25:56PM -0800, Owen DeLong via NANOG wrote:
> > > > > Personally, I???ve always thought that IP Geolocation was a bad idea
> > > > > and nothing I???ve seen in the usage of it to date has changed my mind.
> > > > > Agree.  We've spent decades trying to build a network that allows everyone
> > > > to access everything independent of geographical location, and now people
> > > > have come along with broken business models which demand that we abandon
> > > > this fundamental principle of the Internet in order to accomodate them.
> > > >
> > > > ---rsk
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