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Re: anti-spam WKBIs, Worsening google service reputation and abuse
From: John Levine via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
Date: 16 Aug 2025 21:49:40 -0400
It appears that Matthew Petach via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> said:
https://www.wisdom.weizmann.ac.il/~naor/PAPERS/pvp.pdf
OK, I read the paper through, and they put considerably more thought into the calculation side; however, this paper explicitly calls for a centralized Pricing Authority, which is exactly what I'm advocating *against*.
There's been lots of other work like their Penny Black, and Hashcash, that let recipients decide how much work they want to see. Dwork worked for Microsoft and for a while MS tried a version of it in their mail systems. They all failed for a variety of reasons, one of the most intractable being that criminals with botnets have a lot more CPU power available than legitimate senders. Tahe usual botnet blacklist techniques don't work since the botted machines talk to the senders, not the recipients. Wikipedia has a summary of these WKBIs: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cost-based_anti-spam_systems R's, John _______________________________________________ NANOG mailing list https://lists.nanog.org/archives/list/nanog () lists nanog org/message/G2XYC3KUAHUXQ2K5HGQNRRXXTMDRUJPS/
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