Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF

[Jamie Thain via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

Shane,


Missed the mark on what? 

I'm trying to fix IPv4 for corporates. You guys do whatever you want. 

I want help fixing BGP but if you think its all great so be it. 

Jamie 

On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 5:10 PM <sronan () ronan-online com> wrote:


> If you have worked in the large scale network world as long as you say you
> have, you’d know that 99.9999% of what comes out of universities at this point
> related to networks and network protocols is all pipe dreams and has no
> connection to reality. Here on NANOG you have the OPERATORS of the world
> largest networks, and they are all telling you, that you missed the mark, that
> should tell you something.
>
> Shane
>
> > On Apr 30, 2026, at 4:06 PM, Jamie Thain via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org
> [nanog () lists nanog org]> wrote:
> > Larry,
> >
> > Maybe, I am not sure the Nanog group has the same people, but some
> university
> > students are working on it.
> >
> > I have one thing I am trying to finish. But let me ask you,
> >
> > I assume you run a pretty big network. And likely on 10.x.x.x as thats what
> > everyone does. How much more convenient would it be to segment networks by
> > internal ASN number I chose 127.x.x.x as local network.
> >
> > 127.<department>.<region>.floor. == 10 Billion IP addresses.
> >
> > Everything would be secured, isolated, managed, auditable.
> >
> > Jamie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 4:32 PM Larry Brower <Larry.Brower () tdi texas gov
> [Larry.Brower () tdi texas gov]> wrote:
> > > " People are planning to build ipv8 right now."
> > >
> > > Are these people in the room with us?
> > >
> > >
> > > ----
> > > Larry Brower
> > > Network Specialist
> > > Texas Department of Insurance
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Jamie Thain via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org [nanog () lists nanog org]
> [nanog () lists nanog org [nanog () lists nanog org]]>
> > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2026 2:29 PM
> > > To: Joe Klein <jsklein () gmail com [jsklein () gmail com] [jsklein () gmail com
> [jsklein () gmail com]]>
> > > Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org
> [nanog () lists nanog org]
> > > [nanog () lists nanog org [nanog () lists nanog org]]>; Jamie Thain <jamie () one bm
> [jamie () one bm] [jamie () one bm [jamie () one bm]]>
> > > Subject: Re: IPv8 / BGP8 / CF
> > >
> > > ATTENTION: This email came from an external source. Do not open attachments
> or
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> > >
> > > Joe,
> > >
> > > No patent apps it's all free. Corp isn't moving off ipv4 to ipv6. So ipv8
> is
> > > an upgrade to ipv4.
> > >
> > > So still need to fix the issues in ipv4/ipv6.
> > >
> > > Like merging to companies both using 10.x
> > >
> > > Unless a move is made ipv4 will still be running the warp drive.
> > >
> > > People are planning to build ipv8 right now.
> > >
> > > Jamie
> > >
> > > On Thu., Apr. 30, 2026, 12:51 p.m. Joe Klein, <jsklein () gmail com
> [jsklein () gmail com]
> > > [jsklein () gmail com [jsklein () gmail com]]> wrote:
> > >
> > > > This is very funny!
> > > >
> > > > - In 2004, very talented Chinese developers worked to implement IPv9.
> > > > At present there are exclusive patents, but have yet to seen any code.
> > > >
> > > > - Over 20 cumulative years, there are about 0.5–2 trillion IPv6
> > > > address instances, with the high side is driven by mobile devices,
> > > > Wi-Fi roaming, privacy-address rotation, VMs, containers, VPNs, and
> > > > tunnels. In short, this covers the ocean floor, caves, areas near
> > > > Earth, and deep space. Will you and your team pay for the IPv4/IPv6
> > > > change? When will you submit the patent applications (Similary to
> Microsoft
> > > patent for SEND/CGA)?
> > > > Have fun.
> > > >
> > > > OO.
> > > >
> > > > Joe Klein
> > > >
> > > > "inveniet viam, aut faciet" --- Seneca's Hercules Furens (Act II,
> > > > Scene 1) "*I skate to where the puck is going to be, not to where it has
> > > been."
> > > > -- *Wayne Gretzky
> > > > "I never lose. I either win or learn" - Nelson Mandela
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2026, 10:51 AM Tom Beecher via NANOG <
> > > > nanog () lists nanog org [nanog () lists nanog org] [nanog () lists nanog org
> [nanog () lists nanog org]]> wrote:
> > > > > > Tough love is needed here, and the list is not providing it. You're
> > > > > > not being polite, you're enabling.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Only works when the recipient is actually open to receiving feedback
> > > > > and collaborating.
> > > > >
> > > > > Reading Mr. Thain's replies here and on int-area answers that
> > > > > question quite rapidly.
> > > > >
> > > > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2026 at 2:35 AM Saku Ytti via NANOG <
> > > > > nanog () lists nanog org [nanog () lists nanog org] [nanog () lists nanog org
> [nanog () lists nanog org]]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Tough love is needed here, and the list is not providing it. You're
> > > > > > not being polite, you're enabling.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Stop supporting this LLM psychosis.
> > > > > >
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