RE: IPv4 Pricing

[Gary Sparkes via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

I'll add this too - 

We don't even bother asking ISPs for v6 support, we just assume if it's not there it won't happen. 

There is no point in asking. It's 2025, either they're deploying it or not. 

If they don't have it, we work around it, usually by allocating space to a customer and setting up a portal/tunnel 
endpoint geographically close to them and handling it that way.

We also encourage customers to move off said ISP - I have moved several of my customers to T-Mobile wireless internet 
off of local ISPs because of this issue, and it works 'good enough'. 

Not having v6 support these days speaks to laughable incompetence as a network operator, or extensive legacy 
infrastructure. Especially since it's now possible to run v6 only without any v4 translation tech and still have 
working end-user 'internet' 

-----Original Message-----
From: Josh Luthman via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org> 
Sent: Monday, December 1, 2025 10:56 AM
To: Mu <mu () zuqq me>
Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>; Aaron C. de Bruyn <aaron () heyaaron com>; Josh 
Luthman <josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
Subject: Re: IPv4 Pricing

I need a business reason to make the business do IPv6.  I do not need a technical reason.  This thread has shown there 
is no business use case for global IPv6.

I also want to throw this out there:  Metronet residential (last I heard 7th largest fiber provider in the US, this was 
well before the Tmobile
acquisition) doesn't even give out public IPs.  They do IPv4 only CGNAT.
You can get a /32 static at $15/mo (in some areas).

On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:51 AM Mu <mu () zuqq me> wrote:

> the reason "you still need v4 for a working Internet" is because 
> people like you keep saying crap like "v6 is a joke".
> thanks for that!
>
> On Monday, December 1st, 2025 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman via NANOG < 
> nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
>
> > Aaron,
> >
> > As a small operator I would ask why you need a /29 the first place.
> Second
> > why don't you just get your own ASN?
> >
> > Are you willing to pay more to support v6? Or do you think the ISP 
> > should add that service for free?
> >
> > Imo v6 is a joke because you still need v4 for a working Internet. I 
> > understand there are benefits but this is 2025 and you can't get by
> without
> > v4.
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025, 10:03 AM Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG < 
> > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > > I wish they were dropping in my area.
> > > I called my backwoods ISP last week (they are a monopoly with 
> > > ~4,000
> fiber
> > > customers) to go from a single static at my office to a /29 and 
> > > they
> said
> > > "It's $300/mo".
> > > I asked why it was so high and they said "My boss doesn't like
> configuring
> > > them, so he set the price really high".
> > > Then I asked when IPv6 would be available and got the same answer 
> > > I got back in 2019: "My boss said he was thinking about looking 
> > > into it next year".
> > >
> > > -A
> > >
> > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:12 PM Tom Mitchell via NANOG < 
> > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > v4 addresses have been dropping rapidly. They were as high as 
> > > > $65
> last
> > > > year. Now, there are offers for $11. Average market price now is 
> > > > in
> the
> > > > mid-$20's. All the NA ISPs have been selling much of their inventory.
> > > > Why
> > > > not.
> > > >
> > > > - Tom
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 11:23 AM Mike Hammett via NANOG < 
> > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > What are you using for guides for IPv4 pricing? There are a 
> > > > > bunch
> of
> > > > > undated blogs, which don't mean much if there's no date.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hilco's blog says somewhere around $27 for a /22 to /24:
> > > > > https://www.ipv4.global/reports/october-2025/
> > > > > but then fast forward a month on their auction page and it's 
> > > > > down
> to
> > > > > $22:
> > > > > https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales
> > > > >
> > > > > These guys stopped updating in June:
> > > > > https://ipv4market.eu/ipv4-market-average-sale-prices-2025/
> > > > >
> > > > > -----
> > > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > >
> > > > > Midwest-IX
> > > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > > > >
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