Re: IPv4 Pricing

[Josh Luthman via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>]

V4 only works today?  You're going to exclude at the very least Ebay and
Amazon?  Seriously?

On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 1:13 PM Gary Sparkes <gary () kisaracorporation com>
wrote:

> I'll add this too -
>
> We don't even bother asking ISPs for v6 support, we just assume if it's
> not there it won't happen.
>
> There is no point in asking. It's 2025, either they're deploying it or
> not.
>
> If they don't have it, we work around it, usually by allocating space to a
> customer and setting up a portal/tunnel endpoint geographically close to
> them and handling it that way.
>
> We also encourage customers to move off said ISP - I have moved several of
> my customers to T-Mobile wireless internet off of local ISPs because of
> this issue, and it works 'good enough'.
>
> Not having v6 support these days speaks to laughable incompetence as a
> network operator, or extensive legacy infrastructure. Especially since it's
> now possible to run v6 only without any v4 translation tech and still have
> working end-user 'internet'
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Josh Luthman via NANOG <nanog () lists nanog org>
> Sent: Monday, December 1, 2025 10:56 AM
> To: Mu <mu () zuqq me>
> Cc: North American Network Operators Group <nanog () lists nanog org>; Aaron
> C. de Bruyn <aaron () heyaaron com>; Josh Luthman <
> josh () imaginenetworksllc com>
> Subject: Re: IPv4 Pricing
>
> I need a business reason to make the business do IPv6.  I do not need a
> technical reason.  This thread has shown there is no business use case for
> global IPv6.
>
> I also want to throw this out there:  Metronet residential (last I heard
> 7th largest fiber provider in the US, this was well before the Tmobile
> acquisition) doesn't even give out public IPs.  They do IPv4 only CGNAT.
> You can get a /32 static at $15/mo (in some areas).
>
> On Mon, Dec 1, 2025 at 10:51 AM Mu <mu () zuqq me> wrote:
>
> > the reason "you still need v4 for a working Internet" is because
> > people like you keep saying crap like "v6 is a joke".
> > thanks for that!
> >
> > On Monday, December 1st, 2025 at 10:08 AM, Josh Luthman via NANOG <
> > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> >
> > > Aaron,
> > >
> > > As a small operator I would ask why you need a /29 the first place.
> > Second
> > > why don't you just get your own ASN?
> > >
> > > Are you willing to pay more to support v6? Or do you think the ISP
> > > should add that service for free?
> > >
> > > Imo v6 is a joke because you still need v4 for a working Internet. I
> > > understand there are benefits but this is 2025 and you can't get by
> > without
> > > v4.
> > >
> > > On Mon, Dec 1, 2025, 10:03 AM Aaron C. de Bruyn via NANOG <
> > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > >
> > > > I wish they were dropping in my area.
> > > > I called my backwoods ISP last week (they are a monopoly with
> > > > ~4,000
> > fiber
> > > > customers) to go from a single static at my office to a /29 and
> > > > they
> > said
> > > > "It's $300/mo".
> > > > I asked why it was so high and they said "My boss doesn't like
> > configuring
> > > > them, so he set the price really high".
> > > > Then I asked when IPv6 would be available and got the same answer
> > > > I got back in 2019: "My boss said he was thinking about looking
> > > > into it next year".
> > > >
> > > > -A
> > > >
> > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 6:12 PM Tom Mitchell via NANOG <
> > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > v4 addresses have been dropping rapidly. They were as high as
> > > > > $65
> > last
> > > > > year. Now, there are offers for $11. Average market price now is
> > > > > in
> > the
> > > > > mid-$20's. All the NA ISPs have been selling much of their
> inventory.
> > > > > Why
> > > > > not.
> > > > >
> > > > > - Tom
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sun, Nov 30, 2025 at 11:23 AM Mike Hammett via NANOG <
> > > > > nanog () lists nanog org> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > What are you using for guides for IPv4 pricing? There are a
> > > > > > bunch
> > of
> > > > > > undated blogs, which don't mean much if there's no date.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hilco's blog says somewhere around $27 for a /22 to /24:
> > > > > > https://www.ipv4.global/reports/october-2025/
> > > > > > but then fast forward a month on their auction page and it's
> > > > > > down
> > to
> > > > > > $22:
> > > > > > https://auctions.ipv4.global/prior-sales
> > > > > >
> > > > > > These guys stopped updating in June:
> > > > > > https://ipv4market.eu/ipv4-market-average-sale-prices-2025/
> > > > > >
> > > > > > -----
> > > > > > Mike Hammett
> > > > > > Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Midwest-IX
> > > > > > http://www.midwest-ix.com
> > > > > >
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